This made me hang my head and sadly wonder how Conservative MP Shelly Glover ever got to be a Conservative Party rep on the CBC’s Power and Politics show. I’m stunned by what I just watched…
This made me hang my head and sadly wonder how Conservative MP Shelly Glover ever got to be a Conservative Party rep on the CBC’s Power and Politics show. I’m stunned by what I just watched…
January 15, 2010 at 2:11 PM
When was Tom last employed by Stephen Harper in any capacity?
S.G. is not an Ottawa inside the bubble MP. She has spent years building her grassroots in her riding. I believe she has has one of the “bell weather ” ridings.
I will let her voters in her riding deem how important is it to know T.C. and the history of the party. Political junkies may know who Tom, maybe S.G. is not into yesterdays man.
January 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM
She should damn well learn before going on TV
January 15, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Why?
Just because some of think T.F. is important.
As I said earlier I have been reading about S.G. prior to her winning her seat.
This was an important riding and was held by a Liberal for a very long time.
I get the Pol. Junkie thing, but she is not a Ottawa inside MP. I don’t get excited if my MP does not know the list of a Calgary Prof who helped mentor our PM.
The voters in her riding will keep here accountable for her lack of “party history” . ( I don’t worry about this inside baseball stuff)
January 15, 2010 at 3:08 PM
I would get excited if your MP went on TV and exposed that she/he doesn’t know nor care about who helped build this party into what got them elected.
January 15, 2010 at 3:19 PM
This is getting old.
The lady was elected in a Liberal riding (won it quite handily) because people in her riding respects her.
Her resume (in my mind) reads exactly the kind of people a party should be attracting to run for the first time.
As a (on leave) police officer, she may not have had any previous dealings with the backroom, old guard.
And in this case, the former backroomer is taking shots, and not showing much loyalty. Loose cannon.
I’ve not ever seen the Prof on a ballot.
Glover not only was on a ballot, she aced her first run, in a riding that has a Liberal tradition.
January 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Do you have no problem with what Prof Tom is saying on TV these days?
January 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM
In that one specific clip…no, I don’t have a problem with what he said.
January 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM
She was elected last election. She does not live in Calgary, she is from Winnipeg. Flannagan lives in Calgary, and does not work in Ottawa. She never met the man.
January 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Yes, a newly elected Conservative who doesn’t know a blessed thing about the history of the Party and goes on TV to prove her ignorance.
January 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM
You are being ridiculous. I also think you have no clue (until today) who Glover is. So does that make you ignorant?
January 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM
I wouldn’t go on TV and admit my ignorance
January 15, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Maybe you should have known more about Glover before you attacked her.
January 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM
I did read her bio. I also would never defend dumb things Conservative MPs do just because they are Conservatives. That’s what Liberals do…
January 15, 2010 at 2:46 PM
The real problem is actually the dumb things Flanagan has been saying of late.
January 15, 2010 at 2:57 PM
I’ve met Tom Flanagan a few times… once while having lunch with him and Harper in Harper’s Ottawa parliamentary office. Flanagan does not say dumb things. He is one of the most brilliant tactical political people in Canada and I challenge anyone to read his book Game Theory and have the audacity then to question his intelligence.
January 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM
I read his books. I just wonder why he is now on TV, frequently critical of the gov’t, knowing full well that his former ties with Harper (and many others) will be gleefuly used by the other side (parties and msm) so gleefully.
January 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM
I am not attacking T.F. my only criticism is that this MP is busy doing things in her “own” way. I don’t expect every MP who is invited on TV to have T.F. on rolodex for his contributions in the past.
She was honest and did not pretend or lie about her knowledge of T.F.
Compare it to McCallum who had to correct his car make. I will take her honesty everytime.
January 15, 2010 at 3:11 PM
If that’s true, how do you explain “His Brilliance” being on the outside looking in?
You’d think that his “Game Theory” would’ve put him in the
drivers seat rather than the CBC’s “cheap seats”.
To much theory perhaps! Afteral, like they say, The proof is in the pudding.
Just sayin.
January 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Oh my….please go read some political history
January 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM
Yeah, but it goes to show how far she is from actual power. And this interview is a testament to her utmost respect to PMO talking points. The clip is kind of absurd really
January 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM
“She should damn well learn before going on TV”. Why? You have no idea what CBC invited her on for.
January 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM
She never asked? The guests are generally fully briefed on the topics prior to appearing.
January 15, 2010 at 2:32 PM
I think you are being ridiculous.
January 16, 2010 at 6:39 AM
They were having technical problems at the Wpg studio.
January 16, 2010 at 6:41 AM
Yeah, but you do know what was in the news that day. She’s responsible for knowing the hot button issues. It’s part of her job. I think she knew who TF was before going on, but that she could easily dismiss him as unimportant since most electors don’t know who he is.
I think it also explains the choice of her going up against Goodale and Mul
January 16, 2010 at 6:43 AM
… and Mulcair. It was easy to pass her off as ignorant of TF’s importance, while a more important member of the Con Party would not have been able to seriously do so. I mean Shelly was barely able to seriously do so.
January 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM
How was she to know what the question would be? I’m not defending her but if she doesn’t know who TF is, perhaps there is a good reason. He has been out of the loop for a while now and that is why the CBC uses him.
I think the TRUTH is rather refreshing. She didn’t know, big deal.
January 15, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Flanagan was gone after 2006 election. With his latest appearances: good riddance.
January 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Utterly ridiculous. Ignorance certainly isn´t bliss for most of us.
But I must admit that I´d never heard of Shelly Glover before.
However I probably would have guessed that she was blond.
January 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM
I hardly think the colour of her hair matters a whit.
January 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Shelly A. Glover (born January 2, 1967) is a Canadian politician, and is currently the Member of Parliament for the electoral district of Saint Boniface, Manitoba. She is a member of the Conservative Party and is the Parliamentary Secretary for Official Languages. She is the first policewoman MP in Canadian history. [1]
Glover served as a member of the Winnipeg Police Service for almost 19 years prior to her election. She has been involved in undercover work, child abuse investigations, youth crime and gang investigations, and general patrol. She was the first ever female and bilingual spokesperson appointed by her department. She has been involved with many community organizations such as Big Sisters, Habitat for Humanity, Pregnancy Distress, and Francophone Chamber of Commerce. She is also a keen sports advocate who has coached soccer for 14 years.
Glover is married, and has raised 5 children with her husband Bruce who is a retired police officer and small business owner.
Glover won the riding in the 2008 federal election, beating out incumbent Liberal Raymond Simard by over 4,500 votes. On November 7, 2008 Glover was named Parliamentary Secretary for Official Languages by Prime Minister Stephen Harper.[2]
She took St Boniface, a Liberal bastion. When the Liberals only had 2 seats west of Ontario, ST B was one of those seats.
January 15, 2010 at 2:34 PM
so, what is your point… it’s OK to be ignorant as long as you have a bio like hers?
January 15, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Well you clearly don’t know who she is, so now you know.
January 15, 2010 at 2:50 PM
I know who he is and I could give a damn about his two bit opinion about his anti conservative spiel. He’s just another “Made for TV” conservative who’s been slamming the Tories since forever and ever. Of course he wouldn’t be on CBC if he didn’t, would he. I wonder if these characters get paid for their appearances?
Hmm? That’s an interesting thought, isn’t it?
Why do you seem to imply that a CBC flunkie like “what’s his face” is the one who determines who is and isn’t a “Somebody Somebody” in the Conservative Party?
And by the way, Shelley Glover sounded completely credible in this interview.
January 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM
What do you mean “dumb things”.
Tom Flanagan is a nobody in the Conservative Party. Do you think her job is to know every character that Harper has associated with in the past?
Ridiculous!
January 15, 2010 at 2:59 PM
You’ve now shown your own ignorance…
January 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Perhaps her indifference and lack of knowledge took the sting out of the TF interview. I choose to look for the silver linings and imagine what the viewing audience may have taken from her, “who’s that” retort.
January 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM
I live in Alberta, am a Conservative and Tom Flannigan is pretty well an unknown except for being a talking head opinionista on political shows.
Most working people don’t bother watching those shows in Alberta as they are on at 3:00. Whatever “Conservative” or ‘Reform” or whatever credentials the media has annointed Tom with don’t cast even a faint ripple with anyone.
For sure he is not known or talked about or even relevant to the Provincial PC party – he is sort of from the Preston Manning days which is way, way last century.
January 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM
You’re “stuck” on theory.
How ironic that Shelley Glover won a traditional liberal seat and meanwhile, Mr. Flanagan is howling at the lonely moon from the porch of his dog house.
Maybe Tom should see if Shelley wrote a book that he could read. He certainly seems to needs to do some more learning.
January 15, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Funny but I don’t hear Donolo referred to, every time he is mentioned, as former chief of communications in Chretein’s office. I don’t here PMSH referred to as a former aide to Deb Grey. Flannagan has his own ax to grind. If he is such an esteemed professor, why wasn’t he called to sign that letter.
Next cbc will bring on a former kindergarten teacher of PMSH.
I think the more important question re not knowing something or somebody would be the media as a whole, and McCallum, Goodale, and Volpe not knowing that regardless of prorogation, the HofC would not be sitting until Jan 25. And McCallum seems to have not known about all that info re torture ect that went on under his and Chretein’s watch.
Flannagan has never gotten over the fact he was never given a high profile job with PMSH. Wonder why that is. I guess PMSH knew his true colors years ago. It would also be helpful if cbc would give the dates when Flannagan was an aide to PMSH.
January 15, 2010 at 3:51 PM
no high profile job…??!!
January 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Well he really has no credible evidence that Parliament was prorogued because of the Afghan detainee issue and yet he certainly made it sound as though he was certain.
That interview sounded like sour grapes to me as well. He hasn’t a clue as to the reason and I personally don’t believe that issue was the reason or even in the top 5 reasons.
January 15, 2010 at 4:32 PM
TF has said and continues to say what he actually thinks, and because he has at times been ctitical of the PM and the Conservative party he is now a traitor in the eyes of those that believe one should shut their eyes and ears and blindly follow someone as they lead them over the cliff.
It’s to bad there isn’t someone with the balls to whisper quitely in Harper’s ear that it’s ok to “delegate and disappear” otrherwise we could see Iffy dethrone him and none of us want’s that to happen.
January 15, 2010 at 4:34 PM
Who cares if Shelly Glover knows who Tom Flanagan is?
The only reason I know who he is is because I waste my time watching the CBC and he is often quoted because he is with the TD (McKenna) Bank. So who really gives a damn?
Way to go Shelly. Oh, by the way – Shelly – what kind of car do you drive?
January 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM
T.F. said a lot more in the two interviews (this one and the one he made the following day) than what has been reported. He said prorogation was to stop the committee BECAUSE the Liberals were making such a mash of it. He said that in no way should a war be run by backbench opposition members, etc., etc. However, his nuance is too much for the media, and they don’t include that in their reports. Too bad that sound bite of his sounded so categoric.
January 15, 2010 at 8:04 PM
First of all…
everybody CHILL OUT!
second of all, if it’s not a big deal she didn’t know Flanagan, it’s at least extremely embarrassing to find out who he is on national television.
Flanagan is pretty relevant in Canadian politics. He is author of the whole “incrementalism” doctrine, and co-authored the bloody conservative reconstruction movement in Canada with Stephen Harper.
But whatever. I guess she earns her $155,000 in other more relevant ways.
January 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM
The only comparison I can come up with is if Don Davies said he had no idea who Ed Broadbent is.
January 16, 2010 at 1:17 PM
Not a very good comparison. Broadbent was a longtime Leader of his party. Hardly a backroom guy, on leave from his day job.
January 15, 2010 at 8:20 PM
I don’t have a problem with Flannigan being on CBC,
or Gerry Nichols or any other discontented right winger.
Just reminds us why it was important for the CPC to move to the center right.
Flannigan and Nichols are yesterday’s men,
which is likely why a bright new Conservative MP doesn’t know who one of them is, or would even care.
January 15, 2010 at 8:28 PM
She probably shouldn’t be doing TV spots like this with out being heavily versed on the political junkie stuff.
However… don’t blow this out of proportion.
She can be a fine MP for her constituents and not know who TF is.
This is more a case of maybe the CPC needing to select the right MPs for TV spots rather than an issue with Glover herself.
January 15, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Heh after some of the nonsense that TF has pulled I would probably deny knowing him too! I’m not so sure that pleading ignorance re TF is a bad thing considering the audience. By not knowing TF her electability just went up.
January 15, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Flanagan had been gone for two years before Shelley Glover entered politics. He is quite literally nobody, and she has no reason to know or even care who he is.
January 17, 2010 at 8:19 AM
Shelly Glover should know who Tom Flanagan is, plain and simple. Shows ignorance on basic facts about her party.